youtube with gnash / and thoughts on gnme-2.28

Simon Geard delgarde at
Tue Nov 24 01:05:19 PST 2009

On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 00:27 +0000, Ken Moffat wrote:
>  FWIW, I tried a minimal gnome, based on what I'd
> been using for 2.26.  GConf2 needs hal, or something
> else I'd rather not have, so I stuck with 2.26 for that.

GConf 2.28 doesn't use Hal, but it does have use Policykit, which I
guess is what you meant. Looks to be optional, though - without it,
you'll be missing a "defaults service", whatever that might be... I'd
guess something to do with administering standard desktop
configurations, so probably not of much use on your personal desktop...

> Everything built, but yelp/help in applications was
> generally b0rken.  For me, the idea was to use
> webkit in epiphany, so that I don't have to rebuild that
> every time I rebuild gecko.  Works, but can't reliably
> save passwords (a known problem).  Yelp-webkit has
> now been merged upstream (available from debian),
> but that didn't work either.

Yeah, Epiphany/Webkit works reasonably well, but still has a few
features not quite there. As for Yelp, I tried building a snapshot a
while back (just after the webkit merge), but couldn't get it
building... maybe I should try again.

>   And to cap it all, I still
> needed nss/nspr for something (totem, I think), so
> doing without xulrunner didn't work.  Maybe I'll just
> go back to plain 2.26 for now, I can't say that I saw
> any other "must have" features in gnome 2.28.

For anything that depends only on NSS/NSPR and not Xul, the standalone
packages for those work just fine. I'm looking forward to Yelp-webkit
myself, so I can avoid having separate xulrunner/firefox builds...

>  Perhaps, by the time gnome-2.30 comes out,
> I'll be reconciled to hal and ready to try pulse
> audio, but for now I'd rather have something
> straightforward and simple that just works.

By the time Gnome 2.30 comes out, HAL will probably no longer be used -
it was initially going to be replaced by a successor called DeviceKit,
until people realised that Udev already provided most of the

The favored approach now seems to be for applications to use libudev to
get info about devices, or more lightweight daemons like DeviceKit-disks
or DeviceKit-power for stuff like mounting/formatting disks or power
management. Gnome 2.28 already adds quite a lot of support for doing
things that way...

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